[Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
Dyung Le
dyungle at hotmail.com
Wed May 30 14:03:36 PDT 2007
Dear CCCA,
I don't think aggressive hawking is a characteristics only of BN. I remember
being in Puerto Rico, visiting some historial sites. The layout was a narrow
pathways in between 2 rows of stalls. The hawking was extremely aggressive,
quasi intimidating. It left quite a bad taste in my mouth regarding my
experience in Puerto Rico.
Re the example given, I think people will hawk what they have to hawk. If
they have sunglass, they'll try to sell sun glass. They don't have other
stuff to sell so what can they do.
I do remember visiting some ancient temples in China. When we arrived the
sky was clear. When we left, it was raining. I was amazed that the bus stop
litterally is sprouting with vendors of umbrella and raincoat. Those guys
made a killing!
I do aggree some tourism planning is needed. But I'm not sure how. Sometimes
I do get bothered by agressive hawking, but then I realized that lots of
these people make only 15,000 dong a day working 12-14 hours. So I stopped
feeling so annoyed.
Dyung Le
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Subject: Re: [Vnbiz] Nha Trang Bay
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:57:40 -0400
[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
Hi Shane,
As it is with international trade -- which tourism is a part where the
customers actually come to you -- Vietnam is on a learning curve without
much appropriate help from the authorities. In earlier days, Vietnamese
trade delegations would bring to America samples of products that are not
marketable here. That doesn't happen much anymore.
The local hawkers do not intend to pester the tourists. They just don't
realize/understand the negative consequence of their hard work. The
authorities' approach to hawkers appear to be binary; they are either
banned altogether or allowed unfettered access to the tourists. Central
or local authorities can really help by educating the hawkers to provide
more of what is needed and wanted by the tourists and less of pestering.
The example with your relatives' experience is a good case in point, and
it's not unique. But they don't have a channel to give feed back to
tourism authorities that are in a position to effect improvement. Whether
they will actually do it is a different issue. A training session on how
not to bother tourists and a suggested list of goods to sell, including
sunscreen (though most tourists likely have their own) would be simple
things the authorities can do that can help both the local hawkers to
provide the appropriate services and the tourists to enjoy their
experience.
I hear that Hoi An did a good job in planning a tourism policy. Others
may benefit from their best practices.
I remember the hawkers at Angkor Wat who always stopped once you've
entered the perimeter of a ruin. I appreciated the cold soda they offered
me in the middle of a hot, sun drenched field and thought how I would have
gladly paid more for it.
Best, HPP
Shane Wall <shane.wall at translingualexpress.com>
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[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
Dear CACC,
The bay in Nha Trang may be beautiful, and worthy of World Heritage
listing ( I don't believe it is currently listed. Can anybody show me a
verifiable source that lists Vinh Nha Trang on the World Heritage list?
I challenge you all!), but that is not the point.
The underlying point is this: How much of Vietnam's unique cultural
and physical attractions should be 'adulterated' or 'changed' to cater
for foreign tourists?
My initial thinking is NONE! Leave the attractions alone, but get
much, much better at making the SERVICES which operate in and around
those attractions more attractive to repeat visitors. We all know that
lots of foreigners love to come to Vietnam. However, very, very few of
them come back for a second or third visit. Why?
According to my Mom and Aunty, who visited in April (Sai Gon, Tay
Ninh, Hue, Da Nang, Hoi An, Pleiku, Vung Tau, Vinh Long - we got around
a bit), they could not stand people pestering them at every turn. One of
their overwhelming feelings and emotions about their Vietnam visit is
that: "Vietnamese people just want to sell you s**t that you don't want
or need. Why don't they understand that if I am wearing sunglasses, I
don't need another pair. Why would he physically stop me and try to sell
me something I obviously do not need?"
My feeble answer was "He's just trying to make a buck." My Mom wisely
replied, "Well he would be much more successful if he tried to sell me
something I need. Can't he see my skin is as red as a b****y lobster?
I'd buy some soothing sun-screen lotion from him, but another pair of
sunglasses? Forget. What a loser!" - On the beach at Vung Tau.
Sadly, what foreign tourists WANT for a repeat visit is not what they
get in Vietnam yet. That is why they go back to Thailand, Malaysia,
Singapore, the Philippines, etc. many times, but seem to visit Vietnam
only once.
My 1000VND worth!
Shane
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Principal,
Trans Lingual Express
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Mercedes Benz wrote:
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> Both a. Duong and a. Thang are paritially correct (my opinion). Ithink
> it s not Khanh Hoa's issue here.It is the complicated problem for
> VNese government. Everyone knows money can be made but Heritage,
> nature .. hardly can. The first thought came to me is Khanh Hoa is
> such a ridiculous guy. really angry in mind. Yes, but think deeply
> raised out a bad sign of governance.
> "Co thuc moi vuc duoc dao". Despite the campaign for Vietnamese
> tourism, I think it has not gained an achievement as we expected. And
> Khanh Hoa has its own reason. However, does the decision of Khanh Hoa
> province help much the poor or only the rich? Big question I think.
>
> Regarding the a. Hoanh 1st question: I think Khanh Hoa absolutely do
> not have such right. And the government MUST have their own decision
> for which they are fully responsible. If the can not deal it
> appropriately, that will be the bad practice for other provinces. It
> will ruin our precious nature properties as well as culture and
> tradition. Money can be good excuse for all circumstances!
>
> Secondly, education, our education need boosting and reforming more
> and more. That is the key for our flourish and stable future.
>
> Finally, sorry to say that I do not know how we, VN citizens, can
> contribute to the sustainable development of our country.
>
> It is really interesting to hear your ideas a bout that.
>
> Best regards,
>
> On 5/26/07, *Tran Dinh Hoanh* <tdhoanh at gmail.com
> <mailto:tdhoanh at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> [ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>
> Dear CACC,
>
> Probably you have heard that Khanh Hoa authority was trying to do
> some tourist develoment in Nha Trang Bay but the Ministry of
> Culture and Information told it to stop because that would violate
> the World Heriatage rules, Nha Trang Bay being a World Heritage
> site. Then, the vice-chairman of Khanh Hoa's People's Committee
> was quoted as saying that Nha Trang should request that its name
> be withdrawn from the World Heritage list. (Previously, Khanh Hoa
> authorities had submitted a petition to have Vinh Nha Trang named
> as a World Heritage and that petition had been approved) (Please
> see VNEpxress article below).
>
> Here are some issues I would like to hear your opinion on:
>
> 1. Does Nha Trang has the right to withdraw itself from being a
> World Heritage site? What if the central government in Hanoi says
> that Nha Trang cannot withdraw? Does the central government has
> that right?
>
> 2. This guy in Nha Trang seems to think that environment
> preservation hurts development. Does that make sense?
> Please voice your opinion.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Hoanh
> _________________
>
>
>
> Tháûé báúãy, 26/5/2007, 10:59 GMT+7 Báúãn
ÃÂÃÂáûàin <http:///> GáûÃÂi cho báúán
> bÃÂè <http:///>
>
> 'VáûÃÂnh Nha Trang khÃÂông pháúãi tÃÂà i sáúãn riÃÂêng
cáûça KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa'
>
> Tháûé trÃÂðáûÃÂng BáûàVÃÂÃÂn hÃÂóa ThÃÂông tin Tráúçn
Chiáúÿn Tháúïng cho ráúñng, táûÃÂnh
> KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa khÃÂông pháúãi máûÃÂt vÃÂðÃÂáng quáûÃÂc,
vÃÂà váûÃÂnh Nha Trang khÃÂông pháúãi
> lÃÂà tÃÂà i sáúãn riÃÂêng cáûça KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa. MÃÂô
hÃÂình kinh táúÿ - xÃÂã háûÃÂi thÃÂà nh
> cÃÂông khÃÂông bao giáûàcháúÃÂ¥p nháúÃÂn phÃÂát triáûÃÂn
báúñng máûÃÂi giÃÂá.
> > 'VáûÃÂnh Nha Trang áúãnh hÃÂðáûÃÂng ÃÂÃÂáúÿn phÃÂát
triáûÃÂn cáûça KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa'
> <http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2007/05/3B9F66E7/>/ Xin
> rÃÂút váûÃÂnh Nha Trang kháûÃÂi danh tháúïng quáûÃÂc gia
> <http://www.vnexpress.net/Vietnam/Xa-hoi/2007/05/3B9F6633/>
>
> /- ÃÂÃÂng nghÃÂé gÃÂì náúÿu nhÃÂð ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂa phÃÂðÃÂáng
cháûç ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂng xin rÃÂút váûÃÂnh Nha Trang
> kháûÃÂi danh tháúïng quáûÃÂc gia? /
>
> Tháûé trÃÂðáûÃÂng Tráúçn Chiáúÿn Tháúïng. áúânh:
/TuáûÃÂi Tráúû./
>
> - HáûàÃÂÃÂÃÂã ÃÂÃÂáûàngháûàÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc cÃÂông
nháúÃÂn thÃÂì háûàcÃÂ
éng hoÃÂà n toÃÂà n cÃÂó tháûàlÃÂà m
> hÃÂà nh ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂng ngÃÂðáûãc láúái. CháûàcÃÂó
ÃÂÃÂiáûÃÂu tÃÂôi xin nÃÂói tháúóng: cÃÂó láúý ÃÂÃÂÃÂây lÃÂÃ
> ngoáúái láûàduy nháúÃÂ¥t trÃÂên tháúÿ giáûÃÂi. Cáúã
tháúÿ giáûÃÂi ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂu ra sáûéc pháúÃÂ¥n ÃÂÃÂáúÃÂ¥u
> báúão táûÃÂn, tu báûÃÂ, gÃÂìn giáûï vÃÂà tÃÂìm máûÃÂi
cÃÂách váúÃÂn ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂng ÃÂÃÂáûàdanh lam tháúïng
> cáúãnh, di sáúãn cáûça mÃÂình ÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc cÃÂác
táûàcháûéc quáûÃÂc táúÿ, quáûÃÂc gia cÃÂó uy tÃÂÃÂn
> cÃÂông nháúÃÂn vÃÂà lÃÂà m táúÃÂ¥t cáúã ÃÂÃÂáûàgiáûï
ÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc danh hiáûÃÂu. CháûàcÃÂó máûÃÂt mÃÂình
> KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa khÃÂông lÃÂà m tháúÿ.
>
> TÃÂôi khÃÂông tráûñc tiáúÿp nghe lÃÂãnh ÃÂÃÂáúáo
ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂa phÃÂðÃÂáng nÃÂà o phÃÂát ngÃÂôn, nhÃÂðng
> tÃÂôi nghÃÂé khi nÃÂói nhÃÂð váúÃÂy háûàÃÂÃÂÃÂã quÃÂên
máúÃÂ¥t táûÃÂnh lÃÂà máûÃÂt báûàpháúÃÂn cáûça
> quáûÃÂc gia cháûé khÃÂông pháúãi máûÃÂt vÃÂðÃÂáng
quáûÃÂc, vÃÂà váûÃÂnh Nha Trang khÃÂông
> pháúãi lÃÂà tÃÂà i sáúãn riÃÂêng cáûça KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa,
mÃÂà lÃÂà tÃÂà i sáúãn chung cáûça quáûÃÂc
> gia, tháúÃÂm chÃÂàcáûça toÃÂà n nhÃÂân loáúái.
>
> /- NhiáûÃÂu lÃÂãnh ÃÂÃÂáúáo ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂa phÃÂðÃÂáng vÃÂÃ
nhÃÂà ÃÂÃÂáúçu tÃÂð táûëng "kÃÂêu" ráúñng áûànháûïng
> vÃÂùng "ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂ¥ng ÃÂÃÂÃÂâu cÃÂ
éng lÃÂà di tÃÂÃÂch" thÃÂì
khÃÂó lÃÂà m ÃÂÃÂn cháûé nÃÂói gÃÂì ÃÂÃÂáúÿn phÃÂát
> triáûÃÂn. ÃÂÃÂng ÃÂÃÂÃÂánh giÃÂá tháúÿ nÃÂà o? /
>
> - Sao háûàkhÃÂông tháúÃÂ¥y may máúïn vÃÂì nÃÂðáûÃÂc ta
cÃÂó nhiáûÃÂu di tÃÂÃÂch? ChÃÂúng ta
> táûëng cÃÂó nhiáûÃÂu cáúãnh ÃÂÃÂáúùp, di sáúãn quÃÂÃÂ
giÃÂá, nhÃÂðng máûÃÂt tháûÃÂi gian dÃÂà i
> khÃÂông ÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc quan tÃÂâm gÃÂìn giáûï ÃÂÃÂÃÂúng
máûéc nÃÂên ÃÂÃÂÃÂã báûàháûçy hoáúái nhiáûÃÂu. BÃÂây
> giáûàÃÂÃÂÃÂã ÃÂÃÂáúÿn lÃÂúc pháúãi cáûàgiáûï
náûÃÂt nháûïng gÃÂì cÃÂòn láúái.
>
> MÃÂâu thuáúën giáûïa báúão táûÃÂn vÃÂà phÃÂát
triáûÃÂn lÃÂà ÃÂÃÂiáûÃÂu mÃÂà quáûÃÂc gia nÃÂà o cÃÂ
éng
> ÃÂÃÂÃÂã vÃÂà ÃÂÃÂang gáú÷p pháúãi. NhÃÂðng kinh nghiáûÃÂm
cáûça nháûïng mÃÂô hÃÂình kinh táúÿ -
> xÃÂã háûÃÂi thÃÂà nh cÃÂông nháúÃÂ¥t cho tháúÃÂ¥y háûÃÂ
khÃÂông bao giáûàcháúÃÂ¥p nháúÃÂn phÃÂát
> triáûÃÂn báúñng máûÃÂi giÃÂá. PhÃÂát triáûÃÂn ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂ
mÃÂôi trÃÂðáûÃÂng báûàháûçy hoáúái, ÃÂÃÂáûàvÃÂùi
> láúÃÂ¥p cÃÂác giÃÂá tráûàtruyáûÃÂn tháûÃÂng, ÃÂÃÂáûÃÂ
mÃÂình khÃÂông cÃÂòn lÃÂà mÃÂình náûïa thÃÂì
> phÃÂát triáûÃÂn lÃÂà m gÃÂì?
>
> /- VáúÃÂy Báûàsáúý giáúãi quyáúÿt ra sao khi
nháúÃÂn ÃÂÃÂáûàngháûàchÃÂÃÂnh tháûéc xin rÃÂút
> váûÃÂnh Nha Trang kháûÃÂi danh sÃÂách danh tháúïng quáûÃÂc
gia cáûça UBND táûÃÂnh
> KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa? /
>
> - NhÃÂð tÃÂôi ÃÂÃÂÃÂã nÃÂói áûàtrÃÂên, vÃÂì ÃÂÃÂÃÂây
lÃÂà máûÃÂt viáûÃÂc chÃÂða háûàcÃÂó tiáûÃÂn láûÃÂ, vÃÂÃ
> vÃÂì váûÃÂnh Nha Trang khÃÂông pháúãi lÃÂà tÃÂà i sáúãn
riÃÂêng cáûça KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa nÃÂên BáûÃÂ
> sáúý cho ÃÂÃÂÃÂÃÂng bÃÂáo cÃÂông báûàtoÃÂà n báûàcÃÂác
thÃÂông tin trÃÂên vÃÂà sáúý máûàdiáûÃÂ
n
> ÃÂÃÂÃÂà n tháûñc hiáûÃÂn trÃÂðng cáúçu ÃÂý kiáúÿn
toÃÂà n dÃÂân. NhÃÂðng tÃÂôi váúën hi váûÃÂng BáûÃÂ
> khÃÂông pháúãi lÃÂà m viáûÃÂc ÃÂÃÂÃÂó.
>
> //
>
> *ÃÂÃÂng Paul Stoll - TGÃÂàCÃÂông ty TÃÂð váúÃÂ¥n DáûÃÂch
váûÃÂ¥ Du láûÃÂch QuáûÃÂc táúÿ
> Celadon: KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa ÃÂÃÂáûëng vÃÂì láûãi ÃÂÃÂch
trÃÂðáûÃÂc máúït!*
>
> ÃÂÃÂng Paul Stoll. áúânh: /TuáûÃÂi Tráúû./
>
> TÃÂôi nghÃÂé chÃÂÃÂnh quyáûÃÂn táûÃÂnh KhÃÂánh HÃÂòa
ÃÂÃÂáûëng vÃÂì nháûïng láûãi ÃÂÃÂch trÃÂðáûÃÂc
> máúït mÃÂà quÃÂên ÃÂÃÂi máûÃÂt tiáûÃÂm nÃÂÃÂng cháúóng
pháúãi nÃÂái nÃÂà o cÃÂ
éng cÃÂó tháûàcÃÂó
> ÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc. Trong quÃÂá trÃÂình phÃÂát triáûÃÂn, pháúãi
biáúÿt mÃÂình muáûÃÂn ÃÂÃÂáúát ÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc
> thÃÂà nh táûñu gÃÂì trong tÃÂðÃÂáng lai.
>
> Náúÿu ÃÂÃÂÃÂã cháûÃÂn phÃÂát triáûÃÂn theo káúÿ
hoáúách dÃÂà i hÃÂái thÃÂì khÃÂông tháûàngay
> láúÃÂp táûéc thu ÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc láûãi nhuáúÃÂn. ThÃÂà nh
cÃÂông trong kinh táúÿ khÃÂông cháûàÃÂÃÂo
> báúñng sáûàtiáûÃÂn mÃÂà chÃÂÃÂnh quyáûÃÂn ÃÂÃÂÃÂó thu
ÃÂÃÂÃÂðáûãc. ÃÂÃÂÃÂó cÃÂòn lÃÂà sáûñ trong sáúách
> cáûça mÃÂôi trÃÂðáûÃÂng sáûÃÂng, cuáûÃÂc sáûÃÂng
cáûça ngÃÂðáûÃÂi dÃÂân háúánh phÃÂúc hÃÂán. PhÃÂát
> triáûÃÂn kinh táúÿ thÃÂà nh cÃÂông ÃÂÃÂáûàlÃÂà m gÃÂì khi
mÃÂôi trÃÂðáûÃÂng sáûÃÂng cÃÂà ng tráûÃÂ
> nÃÂên táûàhÃÂán? Náúÿu cháûàtáúÃÂp trung cho phÃÂát
triáûÃÂn kinh táúÿ, liáûÃÂu cÃÂó ÃÂÃÂáúãm
> báúão mÃÂôi trÃÂðáûÃÂng vÃÂà cáúãnh quan cáûça
váûÃÂnh Nha Trang sáúý táûÃÂt hÃÂán bÃÂây giáûÃÂ?
>
> (Theo /TuáûÃÂi Tráúû/)
>
>
> --
> Tran Dinh Hoanh, LLB, JD
> Washington DC
>
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